CPU 75-80 degrees.

Hi,

Sorry for the english here but I am from england :)

Anyway I sent my xbox into you guys for jtagging and after running the xbox in xexmenu I see the CPU is at 80degrees :eek: ! The GPU and memory etc are around 45-50...

I have had this box for years and this seems a little excessive for heat to be extreme. What gave this away in the first place was I was playing some games and the box was actually too hot to touch, I cant remember it being like this before. Thats whne I decided to check the temp in Xexmenu.

Now when the xbox is cold and first on and striaght into Xexmenu the CPU temp is in the mid 70s and starts to climb... I am actually worried to use the xbox now as this temp will kill it in no-time. My question is what suggestions do you have, I did look at the xclamp on the CPU and its very loose.

Also I see you have installed some programmer, what is this for?

Cheers,

Jamie

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

Hi,

Sorry for the english here but I am from england :)

Anyway I sent my xbox into you guys for jtagging and after running the xbox in xexmenu I see the CPU is at 80degrees :eek: ! The GPU and memory etc are around 45-50...

I have had this box for years and this seems a little excessive for heat to be extreme. What gave this away in the first place was I was playing some games and the box was actually too hot to touch, I cant remember it being like this before. Thats whne I decided to check the temp in Xexmenu.

Now when the xbox is cold and first on and striaght into Xexmenu the CPU temp is in the mid 70s and starts to climb... I am actually worried to use the xbox now as this temp will kill it in no-time. My question is what suggestions do you have, I did look at the xclamp on the CPU and its very loose.

Also I see you have installed some programmer, what is this for?

Cheers,

Jamie

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Hi Jamie, don't worry about speaking english here, as long as you do not post things that seem out of the place like links to drugs or whatever it's perfectly fine to speak english here (we tend to get bots that register here...)

Anyhow... i suggest you swap the x-clamps for screws, the "programmer" is nothing we leave in it, or do you mean the D-Sub9 with 7 cables attatched to it which is attatched to the motherboard? if so it's nothing that is really needed, just makes it easier for us in the future if we need to get access to the NAND, we don't have to open up the whole console in order to get to it, just remove the faceplate and the top cover and we have access to the NAND...

What might have happend when you got your machine JTAG-Hacked is that we didn't get the 8 black screws sitting as hard as they used to, we remove these in order to get to the underside of the Motherboard to remove R6T3 and with HDMI machines we solder cables to the below side instead of to the RF-Module (to make it easier to open up the console in the future, without removing cables and re-soldering them and so on)

Ok but I would have hoped you would have checked this after you had done the jtag hack. As it stands right now I cannot dare to use the xbox for fear of it frying to death.

What screws should I use? I presume I will also need washers etc?

You'll need 8 M5x10 screws, and 24 M5 washers (2 in between the cooling thingy's and the motherboard, and 1 between the screw head and the motherboard on the other side of the motherboard) you'll also need to put new paste in between (IMPORTANT: REMOVE THE OLD ONE FIRST!!)

We test the consoles before we return them to the customers, to make sure they work, our test is basicly that the console works at all and takes games, we don't play on it to test if it get's warm or so... (unless it's been in for a RROD-FIX which we test the consoles after repair for several hours [with a video that put's alot of pressure on the console] to make sure the error don't return right away)

Do you have a good link to refer to :)

Also I dont suppose you guys do this aswell? Do you offer services such as this, personally I want my CPU heat to be around 60.

Out of curiosity what should the temp be.

Oh and when I mentioned the heat was 75-80 it wasnt during game play its when its first turned on!

normal temperture is about 65-70 degree's... but you should always be able to hold your hands around the console without feeling like you're going to get burnt...

yes we do this aswell, but i don't know the price for it, since we ussually do this while doing a RROD-Fix which takes alot longer (due to the need to test it for a long time and so on)

Ok could we maybe agree a price, I dont have RROD but if I dont have this done I will do for sure.

I dont really want to be messing around in there myself :)

i'll check with Hansi tomorrow, to see what price it'll be... i can't decide on a price myself i'm afraid... maybe he'll read this himself and tell you what it'll cost... but i'll let you know as soon as i know what it would cost ya...

i understand you don't want to be messing around with a 360 unless you know what you're doing... the magic blue smoke is so easy to get out...

If we did something wrong the last time, it will not cost anything to correct it. But if you want to further improve the box it will cost 350-500-700:ish depending on how much time we need to add compared to just fixing what we did wrong. Basically we charge 350:- for a 30 minute job. RROD fixes cost 1000:- because they tend to eat time with all the testing, the occasional redoing efter test etc.

Ok well its not a RROD so maybe we can meet in the middle. I basically want this thing running cool. 70-80 is very bad even when in use let alone idle.

What do you suggest we do, I am happy to have it improved, ie the xclamps removed and a more suitable way of distributing the pressure evenly on the CPU and GPU. Note the GPU looks to be solid and good currently.

I am also keen to add more cooling, and I care not how noisey it is, my xbox is on the otherside of a wall and not in the main room so that is not an issue. As i said I want this thing to be stable and cool.

Bring it back to the shop and talk to "swizzy". I will give you 30 minutes of labor free of charge, the next 30 minutes needed is 350:-, that should be enough time to replace the thermal grease and do the xclamp thingy. Maybe add a core cooler fan if we have a suitable one for your box.

If the cashiers don't understand who you want to talk to you can tell them it's the guy that does JTAG's and RROD Repairs...

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I'm the tall guy in the back... :D

Hell no, i´m taller :D
but you can do it when it arrives *lol*

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Original inlägg av Hansi

Bring it back to the shop and talk to "swizzy". I will give you 30 minutes of labor free of charge, the next 30 minutes needed is 350:-, that should be enough time to replace the thermal grease and do the xclamp thingy. Maybe add a core cooler fan if we have a suitable one for your box.

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Sounds good, Ill get the girlfriend to drop it in today.

Well after being on the booze I got back late last night to try out the change. Turned it on cold in xexmenu and it was at first 60 degress, looked really good... but then it started to climb and climb...

Ended up on 80.3 - 80.4.

So no improvement at all.

I havent opened the box at all, but did you guys remove the xclamps? I presume you did, as this must be a heat sink seating issue.

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

Well after being on the booze I got back late last night to try out the change. Turned it on cold in xexmenu and it was at first 60 degress, looked really good... but then it started to climb and climb...

Ended up on 80.3 - 80.4.

So no improvement at all.

I havent opened the box at all, but did you guys remove the xclamps? I presume you did, as this must be a heat sink seating issue.

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as i explained on the phone when i spoke to you we swapped the cooling totally, for the better from a Falcon machine... and i also told you when i tested it myself (before opening it up) the tempertures started at 80 degree's and kept climbing up to 88 before i turned it off, which i did after a few seconds... it went up about 1.5 degree's a second before i opend it up... and if you add the corecooler i told you about on the phone...

also, we changed the x-clamps for screws, like i told you earlier in the thread you could do to inprove the cooling... your motherboard is a pre-RROD Xenon, they do tend to get very warm, i bet the RROD code it was fixed for before was 0020, overheating of CPU/GPU... when i removed the x-clamps i discovered that it has been RROD-Fixed, but not properly (the person whom repaired it only changed the thermal compound, not the X-Clamps for screws and washers...)

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if you add a Core Cooler v2 it'll lower the temperture with about 6-7 degrees more (it'll end up at around 73-74 degrees) you might also want to do a even greater mod with cooling, like 4everapple1 did, he mounted a fan above the CPU throught the case (he made a new hole and mounted a fan there) see this thread for more information: http://forum.psxcare.com/support/sho...d.php?p=224826

this was your old heatsinks:

CPU:
https://www.ps2repairs.co.uk/catalog...u_heatsink.jpg

GPU:
https://www.ps2repairs.co.uk/catalog...u_heatsink.jpg

and this is your new heatsinks:

CPU:
https://www.ps2repairs.co.uk/catalog...eatsink-v2.jpg

GPU:
http://images.smarter.com/300x300x15/10/88/29888.jpg

I just overheard that Swizzy actually swapped your cooling clamps ( Old ones with copper based heat sink on the CPU to a new improved Aluminium one and the old aluminium sink on the GPU to a Aluminium with a Copper heat pipe extension nodded one ) so the box could operate under less temperature stress. That configuration is common for Ms to do on newer Falcon modbos and refurb 360 units and just the total cost for the parts he installed there comes to a total of 400 sek if you want to buy it as spare parts from us :D I know the guys that worked with your box even tried to mount a XCM Core Cooler V2 kit " Extra fans* that cools the box even more but the total sum of the job + fans was to great and they took them out again.

People that does not own a J-Tag hacked unit cant really tell how hot the boxes gets inside and people with J-Tagged ones do and sometimes they get hot.
The best way to cool boxes down = installing extra fans.

A J-Tag hack does not cause the box to overheat, and if your box went up to 80 degrees Celsius before we exchanged the X-Clamps and added new thermal paste "Washing off a earlier RROD fix attempted compound" well it all depends on how your box was working just before and after the first fix was made ( Not by us ).

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Original inlägg av Pendragon

I just overheard that Swizzy actually swapped your cooling clamps ( Old ones with copper based heat sink on the CPU to a new improved Aluminium one and the old aluminium sink on the GPU to a Aluminium with a Copper heat pipe extension nodded one ) so the box could operate under less temperature stress. That configuration is common for Ms to do on newer Falcon modbos and refurb 360 units and just the total cost for the parts he installed there comes to a total of 400 sek if you want to buy it as spare parts from us :D I know the guys that worked with your box even tried to mount a XCM Core Cooler V2 kit " Extra fans* that cools the box even more but the total sum of the job + fans was to great and they took them out again.

People that does not own a J-Tag hacked unit cant really tell how hot the boxes gets inside and people with J-Tagged ones do and sometimes they get hot.
The best way to cool boxes down = installing extra fans.

A J-Tag hack does not cause the box to overheat, and if your box went up to 80 degrees Celsius before we exchanged the X-Clamps and added new thermal paste "Washing off a earlier RROD fix attempted compound" well it all depends on how your box was working just before and after the first fix was made ( Not by us ).

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Look maybe people took my response in a negative way :). I appreciate the attempt and partial success to cool the box down. I had hoped it was something to do with the crap xclamps m$ puts on these xboxes, and that the heatsink was not sat correctly due to uneven pressure applied by the xclamps. Now with the screws and washers in place then should not be the root cause.

Its now time for me to get nasty with the box and start making some large holes. I plan to fit a couple of external fans, one of which is going to be the Arctic TriCool Big Boy 200mm fan.

Seriously guys though thanks again, and sorry if I didnt seem appreciative, I do appreciate you guys trying to fix the issue.

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

Look maybe people took my response in a negative way :). I appreciate the attempt and partial success to cool the box down. I had hoped it was something to do with the crap xclamps m$ puts on these xboxes, and that the heatsink was not sat correctly due to uneven pressure applied by the xclamps. Now with the screws and washers in place then should not be the root cause.

Its now time for me to get nasty with the box and start making some large holes. I plan to fit a couple of external fans, one of which is going to be the Arctic TriCool Big Boy 200mm fan.

Seriously guys though thanks again, and sorry if I didnt seem appreciative, I do appreciate you guys trying to fix the issue.

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No problems :D We always aim to please here at PSXCare.
The thing was that someone tried to RROD fix it by changing the thermal compound but didn't exchange the clamps for washers and buts.
And if someone tried to bake the motherboard and something went wrong or used to little or to much heat it could damage the processor.
Some times when people try to fix stuff themselves they end up doing more damage than good. ( Wrapping towels and other idiotic means by my standard, yes i hate the towel trick because it damages more than doing good.)

We wish you the best of luck in modding your console with more fans and if you have some time over post some pics here and post results :D

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Original inlägg av Pendragon

No problems :D We always aim to please here at PSXCare.
The thing was that someone tried to RROD fix it by changing the thermal compound but didn't exchange the clamps for washers and buts.
And if someone tried to bake the motherboard and something went wrong or used to little or to much heat it could damage the processor.
Some times when people try to fix stuff themselves they end up doing more damage than good. ( Wrapping towels and other idiotic means by my standard, yes i hate the towel trick because it damages more than doing good.)

We wish you the best of luck in modding your console with more fans and if you have some time over post some pics here and post results :D

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By the way, if the Arctic cool big boy fan doesnt do the trick Im considering this one .... http://www.fanmanufacturers.com/imag...l_fan_img4.jpg

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

By the way, if the Arctic cool big boy fan doesnt do the trick Im considering this one .... http://www.fanmanufacturers.com/imag...l_fan_img4.jpg

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*Lol*
Well i think you will have a slight problem with hearing afterwards, i mean the 360 unit sounds as a Jet plane already ( and crashes like JAS-Saab Planes ) but those bad boys could practically move an island :D

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

By the way, if the Arctic cool big boy fan doesnt do the trick Im considering this one .... http://www.fanmanufacturers.com/imag...l_fan_img4.jpg

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take a look at this mod if you are considering adding extra fans to the xbox.http://www.xboxhacker.org/index.php?topic=14264.0

otherwise you can set the fans at 100%
made a little guide for you, hope you'll understand it.

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download
/XBOX 360/development/system apps/FanSpeedFlasher
and
/XBOX 360/development/system apps/patcher
from xbins

-make a new folder somewhere at your computer. lets name it "fantool"
-open fanspeedflasher.rar and extrakt "FanSpeedFlasher\Retail\XEX\autospeed.xex"
-open patcher.rar and extract "patcher.exe" and "100speed.patch"
all those three files should lay in your "fantool" folder.

-now open patcher.exe, press "apply".
-under "patch" you should navigate and select the "100speed.patch" file.
and under "orginal file" you sould navigate and select the "autospeed.xex" file.
-now press "apply patch data"
if everything went okey a window will pop up saying "done!"
-press "ok" and exit the program.

rename the "autospeed.xex" to "100speed.xex" to make it easier to remember which speed you patched it with.

now just put "100speed.xex" on a usb stick and launch it from xexmenu then restart your xbox and the fans will spin at 100% all the time.

it will make a hell of a noise but its totally worth it IMO.

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it worked for me but i take no responsibility if something goes wrong

If i had a 360 i really wanted to live longer i would use one of these: http://www.psxcare.com/product.php?xProd=1119&xSec=89
and put the 360 drive that i have "Flashed and all " in it and not having any drive in the J-tagged 360 unit at all.
then i would change the polarity for the fans so it takes tha cold air from outside and press it inwards instead of from the unit and out. And like the guy on the external link make a new fan tunnel so it separates GPU/CPU air. http://freenet-homepage.de/haraldsch...ntx360/x34.JPG

Then i would proceed to make a D_Ust *Stupid Censor filter* cover and mount it at the place the Drive sleigh ejects. Either just by bending a perforated sheet of aluminium and spraypaint it black or so.

By having the drive completely outside the GPU gets more air instead of 15% thus cooling down more. And having a J-Tagged box you really don´t have the need for a DVD Drive :D

oh and i wouldn't cut up the backside like the guy did on the picture, and i would have used XCM fans or so that makes more air flow straight trough.

But thats me :D

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Original inlägg av Pendragon

If i had a 360 i really wanted to live longer i would use one of these: http://www.psxcare.com/product.php?xProd=1119&xSec=89
and put the 360 drive that i have "Flashed and all " in it and not having any drive in the J-tagged 360 unit at all.
then i would change the polarity for the fans so it takes tha cold air from outside and press it inwards instead of from the unit and out. And like the guy on the external link make a new fan tunnel so it separates GPU/CPU air. http://freenet-homepage.de/haraldsch...ntx360/x34.JPG

Then i would proceed to make a D_Ust *Stupid Censor filter* cover and mount it at the place the Drive sleigh ejects. Either just by bending a perforated sheet of aluminium and spraypaint it black or so.

By having the drive completely outside the GPU gets more air instead of 15% thus cooling down more. And having a J-Tagged box you really don´t have the need for a DVD Drive :D

oh and i wouldn't cut up the backside like the guy did on the picture, and i would have used XCM fans or so that makes more air flow straight trough.

But thats me :D

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I went and bought the Big Boy fan, jesus its huge :D

I cut the metal chassis ready for the plastic cover to cut. Ill do that tomorrow, the hole is very big. Now if this thing cant cool the xbox nothing will. The fan more or less covers the whole box. :D I too have removed to HDD has it not needed. I still cant believe M$ didnt put fans on the CPU and GPU heat sinks...

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Original inlägg av matte.90

take a look at this mod if you are considering adding extra fans to the xbox.http://www.xboxhacker.org/index.php?topic=14264.0

otherwise you can set the fans at 100%
made a little guide for you, hope you'll understand it.


it worked for me but i take no responsibility if something goes wrong

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Nice thanks for the tip. The fan im getting though is one of the most powerful out there and has a handy 3 level speed switch on it, Low/Medium/High. Ill just have that on the outside to make things easier and ill see what the temp is like. From what ive read of this fan, its very good and draws more air than most out there by a long way.

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

Nice thanks for the tip. The fan im getting though is one of the most powerful out there and has a handy 3 level speed switch on it, Low/Medium/High. Ill just have that on the outside to make things easier and ill see what the temp is like. From what ive read of this fan, its very good and draws more air than most out there by a long way.

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okey great=D
you have to report back with the result! with pictures and temp ;D
good luck!

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Original inlägg av matte.90

okey great=D
you have to report back with the result! with pictures and temp ;D
good luck!

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For sure! :)

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Original inlägg av jamie.wentworth

For sure! :)

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Ok I have an update, I have now sat the fan on the massive hole I made in the metal case to test the heating, this is without the plastic top on. I still have the make the hole there and mount the fan...

The temp diff is amazing, its now the following and not changing:

CPU 62.9
GPU 36.5
MB 28.4

I expect the temp to be even lower once the plastic side is on, as a lot of air is escaping.

So all in all a success :D

One more thing, this fan is SILENT, I didnt expect that all.

I will upload pics when I finished mounting it onto the plastic side case.

this is great jamie! :) i bet the fact that we swapped the heatsinks helps alot, since the original one you had is rather compact, and also slightly blocked from above (i'm guessing you are using the fan top mounted?)

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Original inlägg av matte.90

take a look at this mod if you are considering adding extra fans to the xbox.http://www.xboxhacker.org/index.php?topic=14264.0

otherwise you can set the fans at 100%
made a little guide for you, hope you'll understand it.


it worked for me but i take no responsibility if something goes wrong

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If I do these steps. Will I have to redo it every time i start the console or will it be att 100% until i set it back to auto? Also do i have to 12Vmod to use the 100% fanspeed?

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Original inlägg av fr_3dd_3

If I do these steps. Will I have to redo it every time i start the console or will it be att 100% until i set it back to auto? Also do i have to 12Vmod to use the 100% fanspeed?

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it's a Dashboard patch, so it'll be automaticly done everytime you start the console... and unless the software you are running has any other settings for it it'll be no max at all times...

another way to get constant 100% fanspeed is to buy a XCM High Speed Air Cooler V2... and set it to manual mode and full speed... that way it'll constantly be on max power, since these fans don't draw power from the "normal" fan place the console settings will have no effect on it... (it draws power from the DVD drive instead)

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Original inlägg av Swizzy

this is great jamie! :) i bet the fact that we swapped the heatsinks helps alot, since the original one you had is rather compact, and also slightly blocked from above (i'm guessing you are using the fan top mounted?)

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Yes the fan is mounted above both the CPU and GPU blowing air inwards/down. I did reverese the polarity and had it sucking air out but it wasnt as affective.

Tomorrow I will cut the case and mount the fan, and also add in a small fan to blow some air towards the CPU heatsink and see if that helps the movement even more.

Once its all completed I will upload the pics and temp.

let's hope the end result is a good :) the only problem that you should have with the console after this cooling mode might be the RAM chips which are below the GPU heatsink, and maybe the ones on the under side of the motherboard... the GPU RAM's tend to break easily... that's what happend to my JTAG machine, i had it running at a max temperture of 45 degree's for CPU/GPU/RAM it didn't help having special small square like thingy's that transfer heat from the RAM below the motherboard to the case itself :( it broke anyways! and i cannot fix it without pretty much removing the RAM chips and reballing/replacing them, and i'm pretty sure they'll break again soon ennuf if i do that so i won't bother, i'll just buy a new console... (i had a RROD-Fixed Falcon) thinking about buying a Jasper machine, or maybe a Falcon machine which has never had RROD before...

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Original inlägg av Swizzy

let's hope the end result is a good :) the only problem that you should have with the console after this cooling mode might be the RAM chips which are below the GPU heatsink, and maybe the ones on the under side of the motherboard... the GPU RAM's tend to break easily... that's what happend to my JTAG machine, i had it running at a max temperture of 45 degree's for CPU/GPU/RAM it didn't help having special small square like thingy's that transfer heat from the RAM below the motherboard to the case itself :( it broke anyways! and i cannot fix it without pretty much removing the RAM chips and reballing/replacing them, and i'm pretty sure they'll break again soon ennuf if i do that so i won't bother, i'll just buy a new console... (i had a RROD-Fixed Falcon) thinking about buying a Jasper machine, or maybe a Falcon machine which has never had RROD before...

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Do you know of any jtaggable new consoles out there, I might buy me one as a backup :D

I'm checking around many places, if you find a 360 with a 20gb HDD it's JTAGAble for sure... if you find consoles that are cheaper then others (or in a limited supply) they are most likely old ennuf consoles to JTAG... there are plenty of stores out there that have these, it's up to you to find one, when ever pplz find a shop that have these older consoles they tend to be gone within a couple of hours/days... so it's pretty hard to tell you where to look i'm afraid :(

your best bet of finding one is to e-mail random stores and ask them to check... tell them you are looking for a specific date, don't tell them what date tho, and don't tell them it's because you want to hack it, tell them it's because they are special if they ask... other then that you can run around in shops and check some random boxes...

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Original inlägg av Swizzy

let's hope the end result is a good :) the only problem that you should have with the console after this cooling mode might be the RAM chips which are below the GPU heatsink, and maybe the ones on the under side of the motherboard... the GPU RAM's tend to break easily... that's what happend to my JTAG machine, i had it running at a max temperture of 45 degree's for CPU/GPU/RAM it didn't help having special small square like thingy's that transfer heat from the RAM below the motherboard to the case itself :( it broke anyways! and i cannot fix it without pretty much removing the RAM chips and reballing/replacing them, and i'm pretty sure they'll break again soon ennuf if i do that so i won't bother, i'll just buy a new console... (i had a RROD-Fixed Falcon) thinking about buying a Jasper machine, or maybe a Falcon machine which has never had RROD before...

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A question, do you have details on how the ram breaks? What happens? I would hope this shouldnt be an issue. Im also contemplating adding a fan on the underside of the mobo :D

I'm sorry, but i am not that into electronics so i can't tell you how it breaks... but from what i've heard it's mainly that something loses contact, like with the GPU/CPU that some of the soldering points let go of the motherboard...

Ok a little update to this heat issue I had.

I decided to dismantle the xbox after the xclamps had been removed by you guys and look at the heatsinks. I had been reading of problems with the quality and the lack of polished heatsinks that M$ provides with the 360. A lot of people had done mods of removing the heatsinks and lapping them (sanding down) and shinning them to improve heat transfer. Then adding artic silver thermal paste properly to improve things further.

So I began doing all that, and I found both the CPU and GPU heatsinks to be in bad condition due to M$, and also they were not FLAT. As I began sanding some parts would be shinny and others stayed dull, obviously meaning there were slight dips/pits in the heatsink. So anyway I fixed all this. Put the thermal compound on etc.

Then I added mini heatsinks to the Memory chips and any chips exposed, got these from Kjell and company.

Finally I bought and installed the Whisper Legacy fan to replace the stock rear fans, and whilst I was at it removed the the plastic grate and metal grate that covers the stock fans, as this restricts air flow.

Finally I put all this stuff together turned on the box and thankfully it all worked :D Then I checked the temp, now the CPU is at 57, GPU 38. Which I think its pretty good. I dont think I can improve on this, not without replacing the heasinks with some decent ones.

But from 80 degrees to 57 is good in my book and atleast now I dont think the xbox will die on me.